I have been seeing a rise in the Publishers Clearing House scams and these are a vile form of scammers, however; I see people baiting them and doing things with the information that is not an efficient way of doing things. I have seen PCH victim info end up on here among other things, so here is a PCH guide.
What is the Publishers Clearing House (PCH) scam?
The PCH scam is a sweepstakes scam, the common name they use is PCH but they will use other names such as Canadian Lottery, America Sweepstakes, Senior Sweepstakes and other names. The sweepstakes scam consists of either a call, an email, a letter in the post or them directly reaching out to you on social media telling you that youâve won a prize and car.
They will contact the victims either via Text or Call, and will speak about how they won a prize but thereâs a fee. This fee is not able to be deducted from the money youâve won; you must pay that fee to get your prize. To us this is an obvious scam but to the elderly it is not evident. To pay this fee they typically will get victims to either purchase gift cards, cheque, cash in a box, Zelle or a wire. I have even seen some ask for my Credit Card. There are a ton of other methods used but those are the main ones. They will ask for bank info, passwords and Social Security numbers.
Why are these some of the most vile scammers?
These people donât just call victims and scam them; they take over their lives by taking over their bank accounts, stealing all their money, turn them into unknowing money mules while still scamming them, I still call these Victims. Thatâs is what they are; Mules are those that are knowing participants in the scam that profit from the victimization of others. Most alarming is that they have people in the US who can spy on the victims, meet up with them and even once case they attempted to coerce a victim into getting into their fake taxi to kidnap them. They will even call these victims up angry and let their anger out on them after they know a baiter has pranked them, or a baiter has called cursing them out or trolling them.
How should I bait them?
Baiting them is not the easiest task. With a tech support scam, itâs just going along with the script, but with these people you have to get creative. The main reason for this is when you act like you send money, and they donât receive it from the people whose info they used (either victims or money mules) they then can potentially harm those people or go after them. It requires excuses such as, âoh my bank blocked itâ or âthey detected the money in the packageâ and so on and so forth. Diversion from either the potential victim or mule is pertinent.
To actually start the bait all you need is a burner phone number such as a virtual phone number from the likes of Talkatone or TextNow. Do not use your real number! Places such as https://thatsthem.com/ store info on numbers and let you search it up and find information on people such as names and addresses, even if you remove it, there are still other services. They will spam your phone with calls to reach you.
Not necessary is having an email unless they want to send you things such as fake documents.
Using fake information is best, make sure the address you use doesnât lead to someone or somewhere where harm could be likely.
Now what to do when youâre on call?
Be a victim, play along and gain some trust with them first. I personally have a goal to gain addresses to send money to, bank accounts and other financial information that could lead to a victim or a mule that I can either report or pass on to an experienced advocate to call. When I have achieved everything, I need, and donât want to speak with them anymore, I just ignore their calls, that still doesnât stop them! Be prepared!
I would recommend watching baits from people such as https://youtube.com/channel/UCGdgpFMkil2s3ij4B61C68A and https://youtube.com/c/BodaScambaits come to mind for PCH baiting, those baits will show you how they transpire, and evolve, and how you can have fun doing them.
How do I report the information I get?
I donât report any information myself because the information obtained from a bait is complicated. A bank account or address might be tied to a victim, an address may be tied to a victim so I forward on the information to Lacey Evans at [email protected] aka @LaceyEvans on scammer.info or Cagney Phillips at [email protected] . They are trained victim advocates who can determine the identity of the information and what to do with it in a timely and responsible manner. You can also send it to me and I will forward it @ ReconScammers#9478 or you can message me here on scammer.info
If you have any victims or are a victim please go to Lacey, Cagney or Myself and they will be called (or you will be if your a victim) by people who know what theyâre doing. A PCH isnât like tech support or refund or SSA etc. where you can tell them to go get their pc cleaned at a store or help them, call their bank and call a social security office to get their SSA# secured, they will be in deep. If you do this wrong you can scare victims, some may have health issues and scaring them could be an issue, any stress could, they need the ability to reach out for months and sometimes for years after the scam has been stopped. Denial that they are a victim is a long process to break. It is not just one phone call with these people. The damage is ongoing, so please forward it to Lacey, Cagney or myself so the victim can properly be contacted and saved.
Please Avoid putting victim info on scammer.info, itâs a public form for scambaiting, people will end up calling the victim either trying to save them or troll them because the victim info was posted. This has happened in the past and the victimâs info was posted as a âMULEâ. The family member saw it and Lacey has been working with this entire family for over 4 months now trying to help them recover. The woman was harassed by people on this forum. I wish to avoid this in the future to make this a safe forum for everyone. Unlike the scams out of India where majority of the accounts and names are complicit money mules, PCH is very different and majority are victims. If you donât know for sure and need assistance donât post it, report it to Lacey, Cagney or myself.
Here is a victim interview
**What do they do after theyâve scammed the victim? **
They will say thereâs more fees or that something else is required and then ask for more money. They may pretend to be the FBI and that they want to help you secure your funds but as you know that will cost you; or they will pretend to be victim support and you pay a fee but get all the money back you lost. The supposed âFBI agentâ I was speaking with, I believe I got a text, but didnât end up speaking with them. I said that I called PD or that they were called and that they said it was a scam and I didnât speak with them. They pretended I had won 40 million and to stop speaking with the other PCH scammers I was in communication with. It is all very complicated and disturbing.
What can I do to help?
Gathering bank accounts, wire information, addresses to send money too etc. for PCH scammers and reporting them to the sources mentioned above would be great and the best thing you can do if I am being honest. Any numbers you gather for these scammers can be sent to the people mentioned above but also put here on scammer.info so otherâs can bait them.